We wanted to get to know you and your perspective as a comedy writer, beyond the 'native' perspective in this game. HostA: "I don't think we were going to discuss just this topic / Custer's Revenge. I 100% understand packaging but it is this feeling of why is it just for Natives." You didn't have a black performer on the show on MLK day to talk about some game and the black experience but they're allowed to be comedians. You guys don't often tackle this kind of stuff.
And I think that unfortunately, for the sake of packaging, what would be the most interesting conversation to hear on this game and I think that might be with someone who has legitimate thoughts about native american representation and is Native American."Ĭlift: "I get what you're talking about but what gets me and bums me a little but like. And it's not because I'm not a comedy writer otherwise it's because there might be something I can speak to as a gay writer. Right? So like if there's a show about gay comedy writers, I might be called in as a potential guest on that. HostB: "I think, and again not to minimize your feelings in anyway, but a lot of podcasting and booking guests is thematic. HostA: "I get what you mean and I will say that our thought process was, and again it is fair for you to call us out on this, is that this is a game that is dealing with something that is fucked up and about native americans and they way they are represented in media and we wanted a native perspective on that because, speaking of elephant in the room, we'd feel like there'd be an elephant in the room if there was not a Native person in the room with a relevant perspective." But it tells me you didn't bring me onto this show because I'm a funny comedy writer but because I'm a native comedy writer.
And you two are people that I respect and Matt I consider you a friend. It kind of puts me into a box of not being a super funny comedy writer. But there is this thing often times especially with natives in the comedy community and I'm one of very few and it's tough because it minimizes us into being less than what we are. actually no, no I'm not gonna apologies, this is my emotions. but you're right it's fucked up to put you in that box and say it's your responsibility to come in and talk about this fucked up thing."Ĭlift: "Yea, I mean, it bums me out. We thought of you as a gamer and we wanted a Native perspective on something so grim and so dark. I guess we didn't think of the tokenization that much. HostA: "I mean you're right to call us out on it. And I guess: What the fuck? Why? What was the thought process in this episode?"
That's like, and not a bit here, that's fucked up. I think I'm the only Native American guest you've had on this show right?"Ĭlift: "So, you had me on an episode to talk about a video game where the whole point of the game is for General Custer to rape a Native American woman and it 's for the Thanksgiving episode. And this isn't a bit, this is super serious. It would be hard for me to be on this show without talking about something for me without talking about something that's important to me and that is an elephant in the room and that's tokenization. How it's problematic, which they admit, and how it is sometimes awesome which they give some examples of like Turok, etc.Ĭlift: "I mean, ugh, specifically me being on this episode of this show. The hosts come in asking about generalization of Native Americans in games. I'll try to transcribe some of the high points/pertinent content: Can someone who listened through tell me what happened?
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